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Machine vs. machine

Can AI voice detection software work on my clone, and the voice agents that call it?

In Shell Game’s second episode, I talked a lot about the use of AI voice agents in scamming, and how they’re helping automate an already industrial-grade global scam problem. When I set up a phone line for my AI clone to take scam and spam calls, I quickly began getting calls from AI hucksters as well as human ones. With the scam line still active, I get new variations on these AI callers every week.

Often these call start with an AI agent on the line, which gathers a little bit of information and confirms the initial interest (in ultimately being ripped off, which my voice agent would love to be). Then that agent hands the mark off to a real human, who tries to close the deal. The call recording atop this post reflects, I believe, the first time I’ve had one AI hand off to another AI. Even after a few listens I’m not positive. As the voices get better it’s getting more challenging to tell the difference between a slightly-stilted human reading a script and an AI accessing its knowledge base. But if I had to bet, I’d bet that these are both AI.

They aren’t terribly effective in this case. The second AI gets tripped up when my own voice agent declines to give its/my age, which leads to this choice bit of dialogue:

AI Scammer: So in order to give you the best possible rates, let me quickly ask you a few quick questions to pre-qualify you. How old are you?

AI Evan: I get that, but like I mentioned, I'm not really comfortable sharing my exact age. Is there another way to proceed with the pre-qualification?

AI Scammer: No.

AI Evan: Oh, I see.

A classic example of my AI agent’s unpredictability: It gives made up ages all day, every day to callers, usually in the 35-50 range. For some reason the direct way the question was asked, or perhaps just random variance, tipped it into some kind of privacy-protection mode. The AI Scammer is, sadly, undone by this, resetting its script and starting the whole process again.

All of this had me thinking about anti-AI detection technologies, something I didn’t get a chance to investigate for the show. As AI telemarketing and scamming become more common—and indeed as voice agents in general improve and infiltrate our world—are there ways to identify and screen them out of our lives? Can we fight AI with AI?

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Shell Game
Shell Game
A podcast about things that are not what they seem, hosted by journalist Evan Ratliff. In Season One, that thing is Evan’s voice. By creating a voice clone and hooking it up to an AI chatbot, Evan set out to discover what happens when you try to take control of the very technology that threatens to replace you.
Shell Game was named one of the the best podcasts of 2024 by New York Magazine, a top 10 podcast of 2024 by The Economist, one of the five most insightful podcasts of the summer by The Week, and one of the five best tech and business podcasts of the year by The Information. It's "riveting," says The New Yorker, "awesome" says The Verge, and "slightly terrifying," says The Globe and Mail.
Over the course of six episodes, Evan’s voice agents talk to spammers and scammers, to Evan’s friends and family, to colleagues and sources, to other AIs, and even to a therapist—all to better understand what AI voice is able to do, what it can't yet do, and what to expect from a future in which more and more of the people we encounter in the world aren’t real.
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