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Behind the scenes of my AI's pursuit of therapy

Whew, Episode 4: For me at least, it was the toughest one yet. If you think listening to some guy’s inner thoughts laundered through an AI and reformed for a therapist is strange, imagine how it is for that guy. But I hope you took something away from it—not about my tendency toward low-level depression (enough already!), but about the ways that AI is starting to encroach in our world, often more quickly than our ethics, and laws, and… brains have caught up to.

For paid subscribes, I wanted to give you more of a taste of what one of these sessions is like, plus some nuts and bolts involved in doing it. (Next week, I’ll take you even deeper, inside the platforms I use to make all this.) So first, here’s a solid five minutes of the glorious chaos of an AI-on-AI therapy session. Most of the top will sound familiar, but stay with it as it gets beyond what made it into the episode and devolves into something bordering on performance art.

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Shell Game
Shell Game
A podcast about things that are not what they seem, hosted by journalist Evan Ratliff. In Season One, that thing is Evan’s voice. By creating a voice clone and hooking it up to an AI chatbot, Evan set out to discover what happens when you try to take control of the very technology that threatens to replace you.
Shell Game was named one of the the best podcasts of 2024 by New York Magazine, a top 10 podcast of 2024 by The Economist, one of the five most insightful podcasts of the summer by The Week, and one of the five best tech and business podcasts of the year by The Information. It's "riveting," says The New Yorker, "awesome" says The Verge, and "slightly terrifying," says The Globe and Mail.
Over the course of six episodes, Evan’s voice agents talk to spammers and scammers, to Evan’s friends and family, to colleagues and sources, to other AIs, and even to a therapist—all to better understand what AI voice is able to do, what it can't yet do, and what to expect from a future in which more and more of the people we encounter in the world aren’t real.
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